Minutes of the Meeting
of the

Old Scotch Nosing or Tasting Society

November 12, 2011

Members Present:                                      Single Malts Present:

Jim Dice                                           Auchentoshan Three Wood
Steve McAllister                                 Laphroaig 18
Gary Machovina                                Ardmore Traditional Cask Peated
Mo Verling                                       Aberlour 16
Mike Day                                         Springbank 10
John Arsenault                                  Ben Riach Curiositas
Jim Spaulding
Bruce Card
Gail Wojtowicz
Mike Russel
Mark Richardson
Marty McNabb (V)
Mike Peet
Stan Skavdal

1.  Well folks, this is it.  Not only is it the last gathering of our auspicious group before St. Nicholas makes his annual excursion down the chimney, it’s also the opportunity to taste the years previous “winners” in one night of distilled bliss.  As such, expectations were high for the coronation of that one superb whisky that we all just can’t live without.  But then, life is full of disappointment. 

2.  Our eleventh gathering during the Chinese year of the rabbit was hosted by Jim Spaulding in his O’Fallon home.  Thanks Jim for hosting our group, even though the pool was closed for the season.  Jim’s canine friend, Jack, stood guard over the Scotch voicing his displeasure over anyone looking suspicious.  The director of our cluster and most suspicious looking one in the group, Mr. McAllister, first dispensed with the administrative business which included sign-ups for hosting next year, reservations for Burns Night, and the sales of Old SNOTS coins.  In reviewing the selections for the evening, Steve took note that half the Scotches were peaty and half were not, making Steve half happy.  The selections included one Campbeltown, two Speysides, one Highland, one Lowland, and one Islay, presumably something for everyone. 

3.  We then got down to the business of sampling the main affair.  The tasting notes were:

a.  Auchentoshan Three Wood
“Carmel color, a little cherry nose”-Stan;  Peppery, smooth, nice nose”-Wojo;  “It burns”-John

b.  Laphroaig 18
“Light color”-Jim D.;  “This is Laphroaig!”-Jim S.;  “Definitely has the medicinal flavor”-Steve;  “Little bit of oil to it”-Stan;  “Dental mask nose”-Jim S.;  “Smells like chem gear”-Jim D.;  “Clears my nasal passages”-Steve;  “Somebody paid for this?”-Jim D.;  “I need to get that taste out of my mouth, bring a real Scotch around.”-Wojo

c.  Ardmore Traditional Cask Peated
“Light nose”-Jim D.;  “Oily and very sweet”-Bruce;  “A little oil to it, slightly peated”-Stan;  “A honeycomb taste to it if you add water”-Mo;  “Taste like sweet smoke”-Steve;  “An illegal smoke”-Mike D.

d.  Aberlour 16
“Hickory nose”-Jim D.;  “Clover nose”-Steve;  “Butterscotch”-Mike D.;  “Water with an alcohol finish”-Stan;  “Not as offensive as the first two”-Jim D.;  “The offensiveness is the charm”-Steve;  “Very sweet”-Gary;  “No beginning, but a long finish”-Steve;  “I like the finish”-Mark;  “Water brings out the sweetness”-Mike D.;

e.  Springbank 10
“Smells like old tennis shoes”-Jim D.;  “Rancid”-Mike D.;  “This one won?”-Mike R.;  “I’m actually enjoying this”-Steve;  “Three separate flavors to it”-Gary;  “Long flavor”-Steve;  “A sweetness to it after a while”-Mike D.

f.  Ben Riach Curiositas
“Grassy flavor”-Jim S.;  “There’s peat there on top of sweetness”-Steve;  “Peat with a long flavor”-Jim D.;  “I just bit an onion!”-Mike R.;  “The flavor stays around”-Jim S.;  “But I’m not sure I want that to stay around”-Steve;  “Like smoking a cigarette down to the butt”- Mike D.

4.  We took a vote by ballot and the winner was the Springbank 10 with 7 votes.  Second place was the Laphroaig 18 with 5 votes.  The Ardmore Traditional Cask Peated and the Aberlour 16 each received one vote.  As you can tell by the tasting comments, our group has its opinions.  Every selection had its share of both good and bad comments, some not fit to print here, and some purely meant to influence others vote.  Perhaps Stan said it best, “Wow, I’m confused, none stood out.”  Personally, the Scribe was partial to the seventh selection, Schnucks Natural Spring Water, bottled in Sullivan, Missouri.  Re-tasting these selections was at a minimum.  One person commented, “Why did these win?  Were our tongues numb?”

5.  So, why did our group appear relatively disappointed with the tastings?  Were we expecting too much?  Where the selections oversold as “winners?”  The Scribe believes part of the reason is that our group may be becoming slightly more discerning.  The Scotches sampled were somewhat on the low end of the cost scale—your Scottish blue collar whiskies if you will.  Mind you they weren’t as low as the British Wedding Whiskey we encountered earlier in the year…my God that was bad!  However the Scribe believes they certainly weren’t in the company of the “guest” whiskies that magically appeared at the end of our meetings this year.  Some of those include the Octomore in April, Glenmorangie 18 Extremely Rare and Balvenie Caribbean Cask in May, Lagavulin Double Matured in June, Glenmorangie Lasanta in July, and Macallan Anniversary Malt 25 year old in October.  Perhaps these selections, all with very favorable reviews, provide a better representation of the Old SNOTS predilection, if not found in our monthly budgets.  

6.  Our next gathering will be the annual pilgrimage to The Scottish Arms for Burns Night on 25 January.  That’s not to discourage you from waiting until then to partake in your favorite dram; it’s just our next formal gathering.  If you’ve been good, be sure to write Santa early to get your request in for that special bottle.  If you haven’t been good, well you’ll just have to settle for that standard $40 bottle again. 

 “Cab for Bean?!”

Minutes of the Meeting
of the

Old Scotch Nosing or Tasting Society

October 22, 2011


Members Present:                                          Single Malts Present:

Jim Dice                                              Glenfarclas 12
Steve McAllister                                    Glengoyne 10
Gary Machovina                                    Ardmore (Traditional Cask)
Mo Verling                                           Deanston 12
Mike Day                                             Dalwhinnie 15
John Arsenault                                     Glenmorangie Original
Jim Spaulding
Bruce Card
Bobby Fowler
Chris Knutson
Geno Redmon (V)
Don Lustig

1.  This gathering of the Old SNOTS was hosted by Mo Verling at his Madison County country estate.  Old SNOTS members with GPS devices installed in their four wheel drives made their way across the county’s occasionally maintained roads to attend the festivities.  This evenings tasting coincided with game three of the World Series, featuring the Cardinals playing some team from the territory of Texas.  Being true Cardinals fans, Old SNOTS tasted the evening’s selections with one eye on the ball game.  It should be noted that Don Lustig joined us for this gathering, driving all the way from Alabama (430 miles); which I believe is somewhere near the territory of Texas. 

2.  Our fearless leader once again kicked things off with a plea to the group to begin thinking about signing up to provide Scotches for the annual playoffs.  Apparently he doesn’t want to provide all the bottles himself for some reason, even though he already owns them.  The November tasting of winning Scotches will be on 12 November at the home of Jim Spaulding; GPS coordinates will be sent out at a later date.  Old SNOTS were also reminded to mark Burns Night (25 Jan) on their calendars.  That may seem like a long way off, but remember that we don’t meet in December and January’s meeting will be on Burns Night at the Scottish Arms. 

3.  After an excellent meal (thanks Mo), we assembled in the den area to sample the Highlands selected for the night.  The typical “soda pop” and “Kool-Aid” comments ensued from the Islay lovers, but then who listens to Islay lovers anyway.  The tasting notes were:

a.  Glenmorangie Original
“That’s good”-Jim S.;  “Sweet nose, butterscotch”-Bruce;  “Not much of a finish”-Gary;  “Vanilla”-Bobby;  “Blackberry”-Mo;  “Aaah, it’s a Highland”-Steve;  “It has character, somewhat like a bourbon flavor”-Gary;  “They didn’t burn the barrel”-Geno

b.  Deanston 12
“I smell rubber”-Steve;  “Smells like rubbing alcohol”-Jim S.;  “Phenol”-Jim D.;  “Watery”-Geno;  “Nothing in the front or back”-John;  “Cloves”-Mo;  “Very little taste”-Jim S.;  “Very light”-Gary

c.  Glenfarclas 12
“Oak flavor”-Jim D.;  “Buttery”-Bobby;  “Stays with you, good finish”-Geno;  “This one has a little bit of peat”-Mo

d.  Glengoyne 10
“Entirely different”-Bobby;  “Charcoal”-Geno;  “Softer nose”-Steve;  “A sourness to it”-Bobby;  “You could say that to all of them”-Steve;  “Did someone die in that bottle?”-Mike;  “The taste is much better than the nose”-Bobby;  “Taste is sweet and mild”-Steve;  “Honey and clover”-Mo

e.  Ardmore Traditional Cask
“I smell hay”-Steve;  “Very smoky”-Don;  “Antiseptic”-JimS.; “I like this one, its got smoke, peat, and charcoal”-Geno;  “Taste lingers”-Jim D.;  “I put a drop of water in that and it killed it”-Mo

f.  Dalwhinnie 15
“A little floral”-Geno; “It has no character”-Steve (our character); “I like this one”-Jim S; “Strong presence”-Geno;  “Citrus in it”-Bruce;  “and sherry.  Tiny bit of peat”-Mo;

4.  After a bit of deliberating, our group of 12 cast their ballots (sort of reminded me of the movie 12 Angry Men).  The winning whisky with six votes was the Ardmore Traditional Cask.  The Glenfarclas 12 came in second with three votes.  Others received one vote each with the exception of the Glengoyne 10 which came up with a big goose egg; thanks for bringing that one John.  Even Steve remarked how the Ardmore was pretty good, but then of course he added, “for a Highland.”  With the decision made as to what Highland Scotch would advance to the finals in November, Mo brought out a bottle of Macallan Anniversary Malt 25 year old; and yes it lived up to its reputation.  Even the Islay lovers couldn’t resist expressing their approval.  One attendee even made a comment of how it reminded him of angels (or something like that), but we won’t go there. 

5.  Our next gathering will be the last one for 2011.  With the years prior winners all assembled, it should be a great lineup of whiskies with something for everyone’s pallet.  Who knows, maybe even Don Halpin will show up…..naaah. 

“Cab for Bean?!”

Minutes of the Meeting
of the

Old Scotch Nosing or Tasting Society

September 24, 2011

 Members Present:                                                      Single Malts Present:

Jim Dice                                                         Linkwood 15
Steve McAllister                                               Aberlour 16
Gary Machovina                                               Dallas Dhu 1982
Mo Verling                                                      Cragganmore 12
Don Halpin                                                     Macallan Fine Oak 15
John Arsenault                                                Glen Morey 12
Mike Russel
Jim Spaulding
Bruce Card
Stan Skavdal
John Becker
Bobby Fowler
Mike Peet
Mark Richardson

1.  Mr. Gary Machovina graciously hosted this month’s meeting of the Old SNOTS in his O’Fallon abode.  Thank you Gary for once again hosting our esteemed group.  This month’s tasting (a “counter” for the end of year playoffs) features a fine collection of Speysides.  The Speyside region has the greatest number of distilleries of any of the whisky producing areas of Scotland so the list to choose from was wonderfully lengthy.  Apparently, most Scottish know a good thing when they taste it.  The Speyside region is in the northeastern part of Scotland, which is coincidently the most prevalent region of the McAllister clan.  I think that says a lot. 

2.  The matriarch of the Illinois McAllister clan kicked things off with a plea to the group to begin thinking about signing up to provide Scotches for the annual playoffs.  So far the list of winners includes the Auchentoshan Three Wood, Springbank 10 (yuck), Laphroaig 18 (double yuck), and the Ben Riach Peated.  We’ll be looking for salt water lovers to provide bottles for November’s tasting. 

3.  At this point the mob had assembled with glass in hand, ready to begin tasting.  Here be the notes:

 a.  Macallan Fine Oak 15 – “Honey nose”-Jim D.;  “It smells awful”-Mike P.;  “Clover and honey, fruity”-Mo;  “You don’t smell the alcohol, sweet notes”-Steve;  “Pleasant”-Gary;  “It’s good”-Bobby;  “Taste better with water”-Mike P.;  “Long aftertaste with no burn”-Bobby

 b.  Aberlour 16 – “Darker”-Jim D.;  “Nice color”-Mo;  “No alcohol burn”-Stan;  “More like wine”-Jim S.;  “Sherry cask flavor”-Mike P.;  “Lots of honey notes, grassiness to it”-Bobby;  “Little bit of oil”-Stan

c.  Dallas Dhu 1982 – “There’s the alcohol on the nose”-Steve;  “Almost clear”-Jim D.;  “Gentle on the tongue”-Mo;  “A cleaner smell to it, I like the taste”-Stan;  “A hint of peat”-Mo;  “Some smoke there”-Bruce;  “Quite good”-Stan;  “Licorice heaviness”-Bobby;  “No complexity to it”-Stan;  “I think there’s a lot of complexity to it”-Steve;  “Alcohol, alcohol, alcohol”-John B. 

d.  Glen Morey 12 – “Salt smell”-Jim D.;  “This is not my vote”-Jim S.;  “This gets sad face”-Don;  “The flavor doesn’t linger”-Jim D.;  “Sherry flavor, then it disappears”-Bobby; “Very short lived flavor”-Stan

e.  Linkwood 15 – “Sherry nose, fruity flavor”-Mo; “Sherry and flowery”-Steve;  “Sharp nose, almost a biting nose”-Bobby;  “Cherries”-Stan;  “I like it”-Mike P.;  “What’s wrong with you?”-Jim S.;  “Too sweet”-Stan  (Thanks for bringing a fruity flavored Scotch to the gathering Steve!)

f.  Cragganmore 12 – “Smells like #1 (referring to Scotch #1)-Mo;  “Taste like #1 (Still referring to Scotch #1)”-Jim D.;  “Vanilla taste”-Mo;  “Light nose”-Stan;  “Taste oily”-Jim S.;  “Better with water”-Don;  “Somewhat medicinal, a little salt to it”-Stan;  “Sweet caramel and cedar at the end”-Bobby; 

 4.  With a last retaste to refresh our memories of each selection, our group was finally ready to vote.  With five votes, the Aberlour 16 was the winner of the night.  The Macallan Fine Oak 15 was a close second with four votes and the Dallas Dhu collected three votes.  At this point several additional bottles that had found their way to the gathering began loosing their corks.  It was suggested by Don Halpin that we should try a tasting of exclusively cask strength whiskies in the future; ostensibly at his house so he doesn’t have to drive.  It was also suggested by Stan Skavdal that we consider collecting five bucks from everyone at a few meetings, and then channel our funds toward the purchase of one very pricey bottle that we could kill in one night.  Great idea Stan, I’ll start looking for just the right Balvenie. 

 5.  Our next gathering will be at the Verling residence in October where we’ll sample Highland Scotches.  It’s guaranteed to be another night of superb flavors to taste.  I wonder if the McAllister clan will be there?

“Cab for Bean?!”

Minutes of the Meeting
of the

Old Scotch Nosing or Tasting Society

August 27, 2011


Members Present:                                                      Single Malts Present:

Jim Dice                                                       Bunnahabhain 12
Steve McAllister                                             Macphunn
Gary Machovina                                             Talisker 10
Mo Verling                                                    Balvenie 15
Don Halpin                                                    Macallan Cask
John Arsenault                                               Lagavulin 16
Mike Russel                                                   Glenmorangie 18
Wojo                                                             Abalore A’Bunadh
Mark Caslen                                                  Highland Park 15
Stan Skavdal                                                 Springbank 15
John Becker                                                   Ardbeg Uigeadail
Mike Day                                                       Glendronach 12
Tim Robinson                                                Dalwhinnie 15
Chris Knutson (V)
Mark Richardson 

1.  This gathering of the Old SNOTS was planned to occur at the Skavdal residence.  However, after Stan’s wife was involved in a recent auto accident, Stan thought the better of hosting and passed the baton to Mike Russel.  Mike seized on the opportunity to not have to drive home and quickly stepped up to host our curmudgeonly collection of vagabonds.  Thanks Kate for giving him permission. 

 2.  The recent history of The Old SNOTS (yes, you capitalize “The”) has brought about several changes these past 2 years.  We’ve instituted blind tastings, secret voting, themed selections of Scotch, and annual pilgrimages to The Scottish Arms for haggis and poetry.  We’ve tasted Islays, Highlands, Lowlands, islands, Speysides, individual distilleries, Scotches from Loch Fyne Whiskies, and just about any other theme that Steve could conjure up.  However, we’d not yet seen a night like this one.  The theme for the evening was “favorite whiskies.”  Apparently there was a “no holds barred” sub-theme as we ended up with almost as many whiskies as attendees; something that’s not happened since our gathering in 2003 at Judd Bean’s house in the infancy of The Old SNOTS. 

3.  Steve gave some opening remarks on the evening’s selections.  Those remarks are not repeated here as the Scribe wasn’t listening and could find no one who could remember what was said.  In any case, the crowd was mesmerized by the sight of 13 bottles of Scotch, each shimmering in the glow of the lights of the ceiling fan.  No matter what our individual tastes, we could each count several bottles that we knew would be to our liking. 

4.  It’s at this point that we usually provide notes on the nose, the color, the flavor of each Scotch.  An early attempt was made by the Scribe to record such comments, but with everyone seizing upon their own personal favorite, the Scribe soon became overwhelmed (taking notes that is).  Unable to keep up with the crowd, Mr. McAllister stated, “I’m tired of serving you folks, all right, you’re on your own;” sort of reminded us of a scene from Blazing Saddles.  All hell broke loose. 

5.  With a well charged glass, a blank note pad, and license to write whatever he pleases, the Scribe was able to collect the following notes.

The Dalwhinnie is floral and has a good hickory flavor.

The Glendronach Original is floral, complex, and has a slight hint of iodine.

The Ardbeg is heavily peated, but has no bite to it.  One attendee stated it was like sucking on a charcoal briquette.

Someone stated the Bunnahabhain was a glass licking whiskey, which Mr. McAllister was happy to demonstrate.  Gross!

Mike Day tried to hide the Balvenie—that d*#@!

6.  There was no attempt to crown a winner for the evening, though that didn’t seem to matter to this group.  Our favorite whiskies represent a wide range of tastes, much like the wide range of our members.  Seaweed, fruit flavor, iodine, salt, hickory, vanilla, and peat—thank God for single malts!  The only intelligent quote of the evening came from Mo when he said, “There’s a lot to like there.”

7.  Our next gathering will be at Gary Machovina’s house on 24 September.  We’ll return to regular themes at that tasting…probably Highlands or Speysides…..or maybe something else, who really knows? 

 “Cab for Bean?!”

Minutes of the Meeting
of the

Old Scotch Nosing or Tasting Society

July 16, 2011

Members Present:                                             Single Malts Present:

Jim Dice                                                 Glenkinchie 12 yr old
Mike Peet                                               Edradour 10 yr old
Gary Machovina                                       Auchentoshan Three Wood
Mo Verling                                              Dalmore 12 yr old
Don Halpin                                             Glen Garioch 15 yr old
Martin Cisneros (V)                                  Clynelish 14 yr old
Mike Russel                                                                
Jim Spaulding                                                             
Mark Caslen
Stan Skavdal
Bobby Fowler

1.  This gathering of the Old SNOTS was graciously hosted by Mike Peet in his north O’Fallon home.  Thanks to Peeto for supplying the spuds, salad, and chips; that and the company made for a perfect night.  We all took note that our founder (or instigator, your choice), Mr. Steve McAllister was a no-show.  Apparently Steve was reminded that he had previously purchased tickets for him and his spouse for another event.  In what can only be classified as a “strategic choice,” Steve’s response to the situation was, “Yes, dear.”  Perhaps Steve, if not a bit absent minded, can be taught.  Just as well, as his comments on this month’s selections would have probably caused the scribe to give the minutes at least an “R” rating.  Yes folks, this night’s tasting was from the Highland and Lowland regions; a true plethora of flavors from Scotland’s premier distilling constituency.  No iodine, no salt, no seaweed, ahh yes!

2.  Don Halpin brought a guest with him for this evening’s event.  Martin Cisneros, a Navy man and dentist, joined us for the first time.  Hope you enjoyed the selections and conversation.  With the decanting of our six selections entrusted to the law firm (or hunting buddies) of Verling & Machovina, we settled in for our tasting. 

a.  Clynelish
“Peaty flavor”-Jim D.;  “Sweet floral nose”-Stan;  “Salt, not powerful”-Don;  “Sweet”-Martin;  “Flowery nose”-Bobby;  “Very don’t ask, don’t tell”-Don;  “A pepper to it”-Bobby;  “Biting finish, can smell vanilla”-Gary

b.  Glen Garioch
“Cinnamon nose”-Bobby;  “Not a lot of nose”-Stan;  “Very light flavor”-Jim D.;  “I hope mine’s not #2”-Stan;  “A little vanilla flavor, no finish”-Gary;  “Slightly fruity”-Jim S.;  “The water’s stronger”-Gary;  “Lightness of a cooking sherry”-Bobby; 

c.  Dalmore
“Sweet smell”-Don;  “Not a bad Scotch”-Mo;  “No finish”-Mike R.;  “Butterscotch”-Gary;  “If you add a drop of water, it completely goes away”-Mo

d.  Auchentoshan
“Sherry cask smell”-Jim D.;  “Nice nose”-Mike R.;  “Smells good”-Mike P.;  “Surprising burst of flavor on the back of your tongue”-Mo;  “More like a sangria”-Bobby;  ‘More oil to it”-Stan;  “I would have this in my cabinet”-Mo;  “Interesting”-Stan;  “Good”-Don

e.  Edradour
“A dry peat, not a smoky peat”-Bobby;  (Steve would like this)  “This has a little dirt in it”-Mike P.;  “An East St Louis taste to it”-Don (not going there);  “Smells like cardboard”-Bobby;  “Don’t like it, can’t put it into words”-Jim S.;  “Different from the others we’ve had”-Stan;  “No redeeming features”-Gary;  “There’s too much taste, and it’s all bad”-Jim S.

f.  Glenkinchie
“Cloves flavor”-Martin;  “I smell cloves”-Don;  “Iodine and peat, but mostly thin”-Don;  “Can smell a little sherry, but almost Cao Lila”-Bobby;  “I can’t smell it, a little dental mask at the end”-Stan;  “I like this one”-Mike R.

3.  Following a discussion of whether to vote in secret or not, it was determined that none of us really cared what the others think, so a public vote was taken.  Those who needed, did a retaste of some of the selections.  Mike P did a triple retaste before deciding.  We weren’t sure if that was because he was truly having trouble deciding on a favorite, or he merely took the liberty since he didn’t have to drive anywhere or climb stairs.  There are some benefits to hosting, you know.  The clear winner for the night with seven votes was the Auchentoshan.  The Clynelish came in second with three votes and the Glenkinchie was third with just one vote. 

4.  As is with most Old SNOTS tastings, a hidden bottle generally surfaces at the end of the evening.  This time is was Don’s bottle of Glenmorangie Lasanta.  Some of you will remember that the Lasanta won a previous meeting of the Old SNOTS.  Don didn’t remember that, as he probably wasn’t there that night (ouch!)  Stan regaled us with a story of why he hates US Air; something about 4 broken jets.  To which Jim S. stated, “Did you ever think it’s you?”

5.  There was some discussion of who was hosting the next Old SNOTS and what the theme should be.  Stan Skavdal suggested we go with the theme of “Scotches I don’t like.”  Uhhh, ok, sounds good to me.  Our patriarch will be in touch, unless he has tickets for another event. 

 ”Cab for Bean?!”

Minutes of the Meeting
of the

Old Scotch Nosing or Tasting Society

June 17, 2011


Members Present:                                      Single Malts Present:

Jim Dice                                             Highland Park 15
Mike Peet                                           Jura Prophecy
Steve McAllister                                   Hazelburn 8 yr
Mo Verling                                          Talisker 57° North (cask strength)
Alicia McAllister                                    Springbank 10 (cask strength)
Gail Wojtowicz                                      Scapa 16
Mike Russel                                                                
Erin Meinders                                                             
Mark Caslen
Pat Caslen
Stan Skavdal
Mike Day

1.  This gathering of the Old SNOTS was hosted by Mark Caslen in his (and Pat’s) rural Belleville home.  On this scenic evening we assembled in the driveway area to enjoy hors d’oeuvres and peruse some of Mark and Pat’s items for sale in their garage.  Apparently, they took a dim view of conducting a garage sale in the pouring rain and still possessed a wealth of inventory.  Anybody need a piano?

2.  The theme for this month’s Scotch tasting was Highlands and Islands, the meaning of which escapes the Scribe just now as he’s writing the minutes a week later, but it did provide a variety of flavors.  If ya got any questions, ask McAllister.  If anything, he knows Scotch Whisky and, oh yes, Scotch Whisky.  As this month’s winner will end up at the annual best Scotch of the year tasting our throng put their game faces on and proceeded with caution. 

3. Now for the tasting notes. 

a.  Talisker 57° North
“Sweet overtones to it”-Mike R;  “Vanilla, tiny hint of peat”-Mo;  “Sweet”-Stan;  “Long finish”-Steve;  “Peaty”-Mike P;  “At the end there’s an alcohol finish”-Stan;  “Not antiseptic”-Mike R;  “It’s not like an Islay”-Stan;  “Yea, I can drink this”-Jim;  “Smells like Band Aids”-Pat 

b.  Scapa 16
“Grassy nose”-Jim;  “Holy cow, it’s sweet”-Steve (keep in mind, he knew the line-up);  “Company Scotch”-Mark;  “Hint of bourbon”-Gail;  “Dull, no spice”-Stan;  “Little bit of licorice”-Steve;  “Not what I was expecting, finish is horrible”-Mike D; 

c.  Springbank 10
“Phenol flavor”-Jim;  “A good alcohol kick”-Steve (so is moonshine, Steve);  “Great aroma”-Mark;  “Starts out strong, but smoothes out”-Gail;  “Complex”-Mo;  “Is that what is said in the book?”-Mike D

d.  Highland Park 15
“Uhhg, like salt and tasteless”-Mike D;  “Sweetness and salt”-Steve;  “Serious salt there”-Gail;  “Oily”-Mo;  “Liquid potato chips”-Gail;  “Salt and oil with a little alcohol at the end”- Stan

e.  Jura Prophecy
“Hint of wet dog”-Jim;  “A touch of dental mask”-Stan;  “A little peat, very smoky”-Mo;  “Smells like honey”-Mike P;  “Red licorice flavor”-Steve;  “Bit of cloves”-Mark;  “Taste like caramel corn dipped in asphalt, this would cure shingles”-Gail;  “I may have to get shingles more often”-Steve;  “Mark, I want you to finish this one”-Pat;  “Unless you want a burnt spot in the yard, don’t throw it outside”-Mike R;  “I’m afraid to vote”-Alicia;  “You’re not voting on the comments”-Steve

f.  Hazelburn 8
“This is just water”-Jim;  “Barely a nose”-Mo;  “Water with a little sugar and alcohol; duller than #2”-Stan;  “This would go good with canned Haggis”-Jim;  “Disappointing”-Gail;  “Good for an under 21 party”-Mark (wow! good memory);  “Floral”-Erin;  “Some peat flavor on the way down”-Stan;  “The stuff you mix with Sprite”-Mike R

4.  A secret vote was taken and in a very close election the Springbank 10 won with 4 votes.  The Talisker 57° North and Jura Prophecy tied for second with 3 votes each.  Although this group then proceeded to vilify the Scapa and Highland Park it should be noted that in an August 2009 tasting most of these same Old SNOTS found Scapa 16 to be quite good, coming in 3rd place.  They also had high praise for the two varieties of Highland Park that night, voting one to 2nd place status.  How does that happen?

5.  Gail then produced what was left of a bottle of Lagavulin Double Matured.  Many of the group liked that flavor commenting on its smoothness.  Though smooth, it still possessed a strong “earthy” flavor.  Our next gathering will be held on 16 July at the O’Fallon abode of Mike Peet.  The theme for that tasting was still being mulled over by Mr. McAllister at press time so ya’ all will just have to wait.  Hope to see you there. 

 ”Cab for Bean?!”

Minutes of the Meeting
of the

Old Scotch Nosing or Tasting Society

May 21, 2011


Members Present:                                       Single Malts Present:
Jim Dice                                           Glenmorangie Original (10 Yr)
George Risse                                    Glenmorangie Astar
Steve McAllister                                Glenmorangie Nectar D’Or (12 Yr)
Mo Verling                                        Macallan (10 Yr)
Bruce Card                                        Macallan (12 Yr)
Gail Wojtowicz                                    Macallan (15 Yr)
Mike Russel                                                                
Bobby Fowler                                                             
Mark Caslen
Stan Skavdal
John Becker
Mike Day

 1.  This gathering of the Old SNOTS was hosted in the O’Fallon home of Jim Dice and consisted of an affable group of die hard Scotch aficionados (funny old folk) intent on tasting some of Scotland’s finest.  According to some fruitcake in California, the Rapture was scheduled for 8:00pm this evening so the suggestion was made to taste Scotch first and eat later, just in case.  Then we realized that we’d all still be here after 8:00pm anyway, so we proceeded to have dinner before Scotch.  Big surprise, no Rapture.  Dinner included the traditional Old SNOTS unpretentious steak and “fixin’s.”  Stan Skavdal ended up with two extra steak kabobs at the end of the evening, one of which he was quickly relieved of ownership by Linn, the Dice’s canine.  Didn’t know she could jump that high, sorry Stan. 

 2.  This evening’s Scotch tasting consisted of a head-to-head competition between a Highland distillery, Glenmorangie, and a Speyside distillery, The Macallan.  The objective was to sample the three varieties of each distillery in a blind tasting and see if we could discern which was which.  We began with the Glenmorangie.

 a.  Glenmorangie Astar
“Sweet, sweet, sweet”-Jim;  “Dessert on the nose”-Steve;  “Lots of butter, vanilla there”-Bobby;  “Real honey comb taste”-Mo;  “So good it made me cry”-John;  “Very spicy”-George;  “I can smell the honey”-John

b.  Glenmorangie Original (10 Yr)
“The nose has changed, not much nose”-Steve;  “Rubbery”-Stan;  “Scotch and gas mask”-Steve;  “Nose disappears”-Bobby;  “Much smoother”-Mo;  “I think we’re confusing smooth with uninteresting”-Steve;  “Smells great, but taste isn’t there”-George;  “Hint of spice at the end”-Bobby

c.  Glenmorangie Nectar D’Or (12 Yr old)
“No nose at all”-Jim;  “A little dental smell”-Stan;  “Black licorice”-Steve;  “Very dry”-Bruce;  “A little spice to it”-Stan

After tasting these three selections, we all tried to guess (yes, they were just guessing) which was which based on the labeling notes.  Only 3 got the Astar correct and only 3 got the Original correct.  Knowing the first two, Mark Caslen figured he could get the third one right…and he did!

 On to the Macallan:

 d.  Macallan 10 yr old
“Ooh, that’s sweet too”-Mike D.;  “A little hint of Sherry”-Stan;  “Real sweet nose”-Mike R.;  “Smooth followed by pepper”-Wojo (then she made the sound of squirrels with cotton mouth);  “Water changes the nose, but doesn’t help the flavor”-Mike D.

e.  Macallan 12 yr old
“Finish masks the level of alcohol”-Stan;  “It has no finish”-Jim;  “Nose is off; it putters out”-Mike D.;  “Nice taste, but not a lot below it”-Mike R.;  “Brandy and cognac nose”-Stan;  “Just weak”-Jim

f.  Macallan 15 yr old
“A little phenol nose”-Jim;  “The flavor’s pretty substantial”-Stan;  “Your FOS!”-Jim;  “Green apple flavor and nose”-Wojo;  “I’ve lost all respect for this group”-Stan;  “Technical Scotch terms, rubber and green apple”-George;  “I like this one the best”-Wojo;  “Break out the Laphroaig”-Mike R.;  “I’ve got rock salt in the garage if you’d like that”-Jim;  “How about charcoal?”-Mike D. 

In a surprising vote, all guessed the Macallan 10 correctly.  however, most were surprised when the Macallan 15 was revealed as the third whiskey in this group.  In keeping with our standard process of voting, the Macallan 15 was the favorite with 7 votes, the Macallan 12 garnered 3 votes, and the Glenmorangie Nectar D’Or received 2 votes.  Although this sampling was what Steve referred to as a “non counter” for the end of year tasting of favorite Scotches, should one of the winners of a “counter” session be unable to compete, the Macallan 15 would make a highly suitable substitute. 

3.  As with many sessions of this group, at the end of the formal tasting another bottle or two surfaced.  Wojo brought a bottle of Glenmorangie 18 Extremely Rare.  Tasting notes were:
“Pepper on the nose”-Stan;  “Sweetness is gone”-Bobby;  “The majority of the flavor is on the back of the tongue”-Steve;  “You have to have a back of the tongue?”-John;  “Way smoother”-George;  “I change my #1 vote”-Mike D.;  “I need to brush my teeth now”-Steve.

4.  The second extra bottle that surfaced was brought by George Risse.  It was the prized “Wedding Scotch” that the Brits used to celebrate the recent royal wedding (forgot who the couple was).  Tasting notes were:
“I do smell Sheep Dip”-Stan;  “Where did they bottle this?”-Mike D.;  “It came as a complete surprise”-George;  “Oh Gahh!”-Mike D.;  “Wow, this is bad!”-Jim;  “Doesn’t have the cask flavor yet”-George;  “Been in a pickle barrel”-Steve;  “My horoscope said it would be an expensive evening…I’m not getting a DUI on account of this stuff”-Wojo;  “Bring out the Laphroaig”-Mike R.;  “Compared to the Welsh whiskies, this is awesome”-Mo 

5.  Our next gathering of the Old SNOTS will be at the Caslen residence on 18 June where we’ll taste Highlands and Islands.  Hope to see you all there.  Our evening ended with a little bit of wisdom from Steve McAllister who stated, “The reason Scots wear kilts is because sheep can hear a zipper from a mile away.”  Thanks for sharing Steve. 

 “Cab for Bean?!”

Minutes of the Meeting
of the

Old Scotch Nosing or Tasting Society

April 16, 2011


Members Present:                                                      Single Malts Present:

Bruce Card (host)                                           Laphroaig 18
Anna Card (hostess)                                       Bruichladdich Rocks
John Arsenault                                               Lagavulin 16
Paula Arsenault                                              Bowmore 15
Teri Newman                                                  Ardbeg Uigeadail
Don Halpin                                                     Bunnahabhain 12
Mo Verling                                                                 
Tim Robinson                                                             
Steve McAllister
Jim Dice
Gary Machovina
Stan Skavdal
Mark Caslen
Bobby Fowler

1.  This spring gathering of the Old SNOTS was hosted in the palatial abode of Bruce and Anna Card.  A fine group of crusty old veterans showed up for this tasting of Islay Scotch whiskies.  Good thing, as the salt, peat, and iodine taste of these whiskies would likely remove the hair from the nether regions of the inexperienced.  Yes, it was Steve McAllister who chose the line up of whiskies for this night’s discernment; anyone surprised at that little revelation?  Those of us with a semblance of taste buds left prepared to settle in for a wild ride.  

 2.  After preparing steaks on Bruce’s grill on the back patio we climbed the plentiful stairs back up to the kitchen.  Following a brief period of performing CPR on Steve we all enjoyed a wonderful meal.  Thence we gathered in the living room for a blind tasting of the Islays.  Each Scotch was lovingly poured into a carafe and participants were provided a sheet on which to take tasting notes.  Once again, the blind tasting method turned out to be a fine way to surprise Old SNOTS who thought they knew what they liked.  Perhaps that’s why some of our group were notably quiet at this gathering.  On to the tasting notes.

 a.  Bruichladdich Rocks
“Not much nose.  Then again, I have allergies”-Stan;  “ Light and sweet”-Steve;  “Typical Islay nose strong peat”-Stan;  “Honey flavor”-Bobby;  “Not very strong on the peatiness”-John;  “Not overpowering”-Stan;  “Not as bad as a Caol Ila”-Jim;  “I expected more out of the gate than that”-Stan;  “Ya can’t perform surgery with it”-Don

b.  Lagavulin 16
“Antiseptic nose!”-Jim;  “I could scrub my floors with this”-Teri;  “Sheep Dip was better”-Jim;  “Lots of smoke in this”-Bobby;  “Tastes better on 2nd and 3rd sips”-John;  “Quick, wash my glass”-Jim;  “I don’t like the finish on this one”-Bruce

c.  Bunnahabhain 12
“Not as fragrant”-Teri;  “Licorice”-Stan’  “Some  peat flavor, but has an underlying sweetness”-Steve;  “Pretty flowery, cloves, grass”-Mo;  “Very don’t ask, don’t tell”-Don

 d.  Bowmore 15
“The maple syrup” (referring to the color)-Steve;  “Peat, iodine”-Stan;  “Salty sea”-Teri;  “This is just awful!”-Jim;  “I kinda like this”-Stan;  “More salt in this one”-Bobby;  “Water!”-Jim;  “Lot of smoky flavor”-Stan;  “Old cigar”-Mark

e.  Ardbeg Uigeadail
“These all smell the same”-Jim;  “This one tingles the nose”-Steve;  “There’s no doubt this is cask strength”-Stan;  “This is the cask strength”-Bruce;  “Fukashima”-Don;  “The alcohol hides the flavor, which is nice”(hiding the flavor that is)-Jim;  “I refuse to vote for an Ardbeg, so tell me which that is”-Don

 f.  Laphroaig 18
“Not as offensive as the others”-Jim;  “Sherry note to it”-Stan;  “Starts off sweet, then punishes you at the end”-Teri;  “Like two different Scotches in one”-Stan;  “Smells like a Highland, heather and grass”-Bobby;  “Water completely changes it—worse”-Mo;  “Lot of depth to the taste of this one”-Bobby

3.  With no one really confident of which Scotch was which in this tasting, each Old SNOT cast their secret vote with trepidation (kinda like voting in St Clair County).  As Mo collected the ballots in his hat, it was noticed that no one was going back for seconds and we certainly did not empty any of the carafes.  Perhaps this was due to the wide variety of these Islays, or as the Scribe suspects, just a hankering to seek out a Highland; we’ll never know.  With the votes counted and certified by Bobby it was determined the winner was the Laphroaig 18 with 6 votes.  The Bruichladdich Rocks came in a respectable second with 4 votes.  Steve immediately went into shock that not only did the Lagavulin not win, but he didn’t vote for it!  I love this blind tasting stuff!  Don Halpin stated, “Are our pallets maturing or are we just tired?”  Mo expressed his surprise at the outcome.  Stan was in shock that the Lagavulin didn’t win…nanner, nanner, nanner.  The Scribe suggested this group doesn’t know the square root of s*#! anyway. 

4.  After the disturbance quieted down, two additional bottles surfaced.  Teri brought a bottle of Costco’s best Macallan and Steve brought a bottle of Octomore.  The Octomore contained the peat flavor of liquid potting soil and introduced us to two new words; iodiney and phenolic.  Don’t know what those words actually mean, but they kinda fit.  Perhaps the best quote of the night was (with tongue firmly in cheek), “Drink heavily and drive fast; the numbers are actually in your favor.”  The best act of the evening was a tie between Mark Caslen when he tried to eat the potpourri (looked good in the decanter) and Bobby Fowler who, somewhat confused, succeeded in recorking a Scotch bottle with the carafe top. 

 5.  The next gathering of the Old SNOTS will be held at the home of Jim Dice on 21 May.  The theme for that gathering is still under negotiation, but you can bet it won’t be Islays.  

“Cab for Bean?!”

Minutes of the Meeting
of the

Old Scotch Nosing or Tasting Society

March 12, 2011


Members Present:                                                 Single Malts Present:

Erin Meinders (host)                                 Macallan 12 yr old
Mark Caslen                                            Yamazaki 12 yr old
John Arsenault                                         Crown Royal (Canadian)
Bobby Fowler                                           Tullamore Dew (Irish)
Mike “Peeto” Peet                                    Makers 46 (Bourbon)
Jim Spaulding                                          Canadian Club (Canadian)
Mo Verling                                               Sazerac Rye Whiskey (not voted on)
Tim Robinson                                          Couvreur’s Clearach (not voted on)
Bruce Card
Steve McAllister
Alicia McAllister                                                                     

 1.  This gathering was at the Meinder’s house on Country Club Place.  COUNTRY CLUB PLACE for God’s sake.  If we were on a Monopoly board, Country Club Place would be a royal blue property just after Park Place and before passing Broadway on your way to passing GO.  Erin and Sam welcomed the Old SNOTS to their classic older luxury home on the edges of the St. Clair Country Club.  This was our first time at the home of one of the younger Old SNOTS members.  He has to be younger.  There was a baby in the house.  (Of course, Bobby Fowler proves that theory wrong.)  Most of us could count the number of years since we’d had a baby of our own in the house.  It would sound a little like the beginning of the Gettysburg Address.  So, early in the evening, several of us started hearing noises that no one could explain.  There were looks at each other with concern, like the classic older luxury home was haunted by classic luxury dead prior owners.  It wasn’t until someone discovered the “baby monitor” that we found out the source of the sound.  Then we were left wondering when this newfangled gadget had been invented.  Finally, in the true character of a father of two very young boys, when it came time to throw the beef on the grill, Erin discovered that his eldest son (the one that’s only just become something other than a baby) had turned all the grill knobs to full open and there was now no gas.  Fortunately, Erin was prepared with a charcoal backup grill so there was no uprising like you’ve seen recently in Libya.

 2.  This gathering was different from any other we’d had to this point.  (No, Don Halpin didn’t show up.)  It was billed as “Macallan against the world.”  Actually, we should have called it “Scottish single malt whisky against the world.”  The intent was to compare a Scottish single malt whisky with some of the representative samples of whisky from outside Scotland.  So, the lineup included the Macallan 12 yr old as the Scottish single malt, Yamazaki 12 yr old Japanese single malt, Tullamore Dew Irish blended malt whiskey, Makers 46 American bourbon, Crown Royal and Canadian Club, both whiskies from Canada.  (In truth, we had a blended Scotch, Chivas Regal, provided by Mark Caslen that was inadvertently replaced with the Canadian Club when they were decanted for the blind tasting.)  The belief was that in a head-to-head comparison, the complexity, depth and flavor of single malt whiskies from Scotland would prove more compelling than those of other countries.  (We’ll ignore the fact that there are a few (very few) questionable whiskies from Scotland and that there are more and more boutique whiskies made around the world—especially Kentucky bourbons.)  However, because we were doing this tasting as a blind tasting, as the first drops were hitting the bottom of the glasses, there was a fear expressed by many that they’d choose poorly . . . that a bourbon would win out over a single malt.

 3.  Given those fears, let’s get to sampling the whiskies.  (I’d brought a recorder that ended up being rather useless, probably much to many people’s relief.  However, my comments notes likely suffered from an unconscious (or conscious) awareness that they were being backed up by a digital recording.  Still, my impression was that the gathering rather quickly turned toward trying to guess which whisky we were sampling instead of expressing tasting impressions.  I think it was based on the fear that we might choose poorly.) 

 a.  #1 (Macallan)
“This is good!” – too many people to start naming; “There’s no peat.  Dice would be in heaven.” – Bobby F; “There is a bit of burn in the finish” – Steve M.

b.  #2 (Makers 46)
“It holds onto the tongue and it’s not pleasant” – Jim S.; “It’s certainly a bourbon.  I can taste the corn” – Steve M.; “It’s a North American whisky for sure, but I don’t know if it’s an American bourbon or Canadian” – Mo V.

c.  #3 (Yamazaki)
“Much lighter” – Tim R and Mo V.; “Grassy” – Steve M.; “I was thinking it was more like seaweed” – Peeto; “Peppery” – Erin; “This is number 4?” – Peeto; “It’s one, two, THREE!” – all in unison

d.  #4 (Crown Royal)
“Wow!”  Snorting – Bruce C.; “It’s got no taste” – Peeto; “Initially it has a faint taste, but it disappears in a hurry” – Bobby F.; “Lightly sweet” – Tim R.

e.  #5 (Tullamore Dew)
“What number are we up to now?” – Jim S. to Peeto; “Apple-y” – Jim S.; “Is that a word?” – Steve M.; “Only in a pie” – Mark C.; “It’s tolerable” – Steve M.; “It lingers like a brandy” – Bobby F.

f.  #6 (Canadian Club)
“Smooth.  Must be the Makers 46” – John A; “The Crown has a dirtier taste” – Bobby F.

4.  After we’d tasted and voted on this group, two more whiskies were produced.  A Sazerac rye whiskey produced by the Buffalo Trace distillery in Kentucky and Couvreur’s Clearach, a single malt distilled in Scotland, but aged in France.  The rye garnered quite a few positive reviews with someone mentioning that they could almost taste a Rueben sandwich.  On the other hand, the French aged single malt was nearly uniformly deemed . . . well . . . awful.  Perhaps unfairly, like judging the taste of cooked cauliflower by the way it smells, the foul nose led to what most considered as an equally foul taste.  A review from Whiskyfun.com stated “. . . virtual whisky that’s younger than 3 years. Nose: vanilla and praline plus fudge and café latte.  Whiffs of yellow wild flowers and a little smoke.  More mature than many 10yo malts on the nose.  Mouth: very sweet and very malty.  A certain harshness, typical of very young whiskies.  Vanilla and quite some oak (ginger and nutmeg).  A very active cask it seems.  Finish: medium long, getting even spicier (white pepper).”  Not to be disagreeable, but I think everyone at our gathering would have thought the review was for a different whisky.  In truth, the impression I got was that the choice of aging barrels just didn’t work. 

5.  The voting was predictable and gratifying.  The Macallan was the hands-down winner with 73% of the votes.  The Yamazaki was second and the only non-barley based whiskey that garnered a vote was the Canadian Club.  Nearly everyone agreed that the Scottish single malt had more depth of character and agreeable flavors than the rest.  All agreed, however, that the tasting was both challenging and interesting.  And there was relief at the outcome.  (I didn’t have the heart to tell them that they’d been in training for that outcome for over 5 years.)

6.  The next gathering of the Old SNOTS will be held at the home of Bruce Card on 9 April.  The theme for that gathering will be whiskies from Islay.  To ensure Mo shows up, since he watched the movie UP with Erin’s son, we’ll have a copy of Toy Story 3 on the Blue Ray and a Cabbage Patch Kid he can watch it with.

 ”Cab for Bean?!”

Tonight the Old SNOTS gather to do something entirely different.  Well, maybe not entirely different, but it will be a significant departure from our gatherings to this point.  Tonight we pit a single malt whisky from Scotland (Macallan 12) against the world—an Irish whiskey, a blended Scotch, a Canadian whiskey, an American Bourbon and a Japanese single malt.  To make matters more interesting, we’ll do the tasting blind.  In other words, we won’t know which whisk(e)y we’re tasting until after all have been sampled.  After they’re all sampled, we’ll reveal which whisk(e)y was which.

 Why are we doing this?  Trust me, it’s not out of a sense of global fairness.  Nor is it because of a deep-seated need to broaden our whisky horizons.  (Some would say they’re already plenty broad thank you very much.)  No, it’s much more mundane. 

 At the end of the Old SNOTS year, in November, we do a tasting of the whiskies that were voted the best throughout the year.  The result is the selection of the Old SNOTS Favorite Whisky of the Year.  We’ve discovered that sampling more than six whiskies at a gathering isn’t the best idea.  (Seems that the taste buds become numb after six.)  So, if we start in February (January is reserved for Burns Night) and finish in November, there are ten months in the Old SNOTS year, minus November as the month to determine our favorite and we now have nine months.  If we’re going to end up with six bottles in November, we have three months in the year where we don’t pick a favorite.  This is one of those three months.

 My belief is that the Scottish single malt will obvious on the first sip.  My fear is that I could be wrong.  Three and possibly four of the whiskies will have been made solely from malted barley—the Macallan, the Japanese single malt and the Irish whiskey.  However, there are still plenty of variables that will set their characters apart from each other.  Still, those three have the best chance of being closest to each other in the tasting. 

 Depending on the brand and quality of blended Scotch that we’ll sample, it, too, could be made from only malted barley.  The very best blended Scotch whiskies are simply a blend of various distillery’s single malts.  The standard, grocery store blended Scotch, though, is typically a base of non-descript, easy to make, grain alcohol into which smaller quantities of single malts are added for flavor.  It’s how they keep the price down.

 The biggest unknown for me is how the bourbon and Canadian whiskies will stack up.  There are of such fundamentally different origins that any comparison may be kind of silly.  The key grain in both is corn.  In fact, at least 51% of bourbon is from corn mash.  So, undoubtedly, the taste will be different.  The question is, how will they compare head-to-head with barley based whisky.

 Stay tuned for the minutes from tonight’s gathering.

About the Old SNOTS

SNOTS = Scotch Nosing Or Tasting Society

A group of men and women from all walks of life and all parts of the globe who, when the situation permits, warrants or demands, succumb to the reverence of Scotland’s most distinctive product—uisghe beatha, water of life, single malt whisky—and firmly of the conviction that “Whisky may not cure the common cold, but it fails more agreeably than most other things.”

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